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Update: test complete! Thank you all for helping 🩷

This was a test of content warning mechanics.

Findings:
- The search tab trending system excludes posts with content warnings from trending.
- Posting, and then editing to add a CW, also stops a post from trending.
- Removing the CW later will make the post eligible for trending again.

Note: I did not test if adding a CW would remove an *already* trending post from the trending list.

Thoughts: The way trending formula interacts with content warnings actively discourages accessibility by creating a situation where reach and accessibility considerations are at odds.

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@benroyce @Serenus
@sandwich

I don't need CW; I'm finding filters sufficient.

It's a tough question. I strongly agree that engaging with the world we find ourselves in is our shared responsibility.

And yet: offensiveness is subjective. Why is it *obviously* appropriate to CW sex and violence, topics that not everyone wants or needs a warning for?

There's a difference between offense and damage. Framing the question as preferences, or what might offend, makes it easier to ignore the people who say lack of CW harms them. Just as framing masking as a courtesy makes it easier to ignore the folks who say your exhalations might kill them.

When someone says "I need X to protect myself," a reply that sounds like "Y is perfectly adequate.. you shouldn't need X," strikes me as all kinds of wrong. It smacks of "Well, why don't you just.."

I expect I'll be inconsistent about my use of CW vs. tags. But I'm not going to be offended by being asked (either generally or directly) to put some stuff behind CWs.

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@Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic It isn't just because of compression, nor is it because I scale my images down from my original 2100x1400 renderings to 800x533.

As I've said: I don't describe the image with the things in it. I describe the things. Not as they appear in the image, but as they are in-world where I can walk closer to them or move the camera closer to them. It's like an image with a near-infinite resolution.

For example, if there's a light grey blob in the image, four pixels wide, three pixels high, I describe it as what it is in-world, a white sign with three lines of black writing on it. I transcribe the text on the sign 100% verbatim including all spelling mistakes, I translate it afterwards if it isn't in English, I may even explain the text if someone out there needs an explanation, and I may go as far as naming and describing the typeface.

Or if there are two by two pixels on different levels between red and white, I describe them as what they are in-world, a strawberry cocktail in a conical glass, somewhat like a Martini glass. And I slap an "alcohol" content warning on the whole post. Nowadays, I'd even flag the image sensitive just because of these four pixels.

I used to go as far as describing images within my image and even images within images within my image at higher levels of detail than anyone else would describe their own images. I used to describe things that weren't even visible in-world in the place shown in the image. Pictures of places that I would have to walk or even teleport to to be able to describe them. Textures that I would have to make visible otherwise to be able to see all details.

The last time I've described an image in an image with details not visible in the place shown in my image was in this post. I used almost 5,000 characters to describe a poster on the info board. I had to walk to the place displayed in the image on the poster to be able to describe it. The description of the image within the image got so lengthy that, when I was done, I had to remind the reader that I'm returning to describing "my" image. And I actually "cheated" by adjusting the camera in such a way that one of the three posters on the info board is entirely concealed behind a tree trunk because it would have been painfully difficult to describe.

I stopped going that deep when I wrote the image description for what will probably remain my last image post on this channel. The long description was already growing absolutely humongous, and it's my longest one to date with over 60,000 characters. I had actually thought this scene would be easy to describe.

The problem I encountered was that there were simply too many images within images within my image. There's one teleporter near the left-hand edge with a preview image that made me reconsider. In-world, no matter how close I move the camera to the preview image, it mostly shows a square area that appear to be tan all over except for something dark and unidentifiable in the middle.

Actually, however, the place shown in the preview image has hundreds of single-destination teleporters. Several dozen of them are activated and have one preview image each of their destination. I teleported there to take closer looks at everything. I was actually about to write a description of that "teleport station" when I realised that I also had to describe every single one of these preview images, at least those that face the camera in the preview image on the teleporter in the place that I was originally describing. And some of these preview images had images in them in turn.

I would have had to describe probably over a hundred images. In dozens of images. On teleporters which are shown in yet another image on a sub-pixel level. In an image description which was already going out of hand length-wise. On the second day that I was working on that image description. I would have had to teleport at least three times from the place shown in my image to be able to describe these sub-sub-subimages.

That was when I decided to sacrifice details for convenience and only describe what's visible in-world within the borders of the image, excluding both objects that are entirely obstructed by something else and surfaces that entirely face away from the point of view. I do fully transcribe any text that's partially obstructed, though, although I'm considering two transcripts of such texts, namely one transcript of what's visible and one full transcript for better understanding.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #Metaverse #VirtualWorlds #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euInspector Jupiter Rowland, Scotland Yard...Taking a fully monochrome avatar to a fully monochrome place in OpenSim; CW: long (26,312 characters, including 889 characters of actual post and 25,271 characters in the image description)

I’m going to piss off a lot of people with this post, so prepare yourself if you’re overly sensitive about life in general. Ready? OK, here goes. I don’t believe in content warnings unless it’s something about cruelty to animals or cruelty to children. If I see someone talking about a mental health issue they are having, or maybe a medical problem they are going through, the last thing I, personally, am going to feel, is triggered by that. I feel empathy, 9 times out of 10. Obviously, just because something doesn’t trigger me, doesn’t mean it wouldn’t trigger other people. But have we really reached a point in society that one human can’t talk about a struggle they are going through without having to warn the rest of humanity? Can we just stop taking other peoples’ struggles as our own? I have been through hell and back in my life, and I can’t imagine getting upset at someone for posting about their own pain without a content warning if it’s something I myself have an understanding of. I’ve literally seen people content warn about positive things, like how they are excited that they’ve reached a goal weight, or how they haven’t self injured in awhile. If it’s posted with a CW, they’re golden, but if they are emotional and forget the CW, it’s almost guaranteed that someone is going to press them about their lack of a CW and I just think that’s so unempathetic and invalidating. Of course we are all different and we are all affected by different things in different ways. But this need for CW’s about every single thing is maddening to me personally. This is just my opinion, nobody has to agree with it. If you feel better posting certain things with a CW, do that for you, not for the rest of humanity. Sensitivity is important but I feel we’ve crossed the line somewhere. #contentWarnings #SorryNotSorry bout what I said, don’t lose your head

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@damon It doesn't help that Mastodon itself is largely a bubble.

Some 70% of all Fediverse users are on Mastodon. But it seems like that within Mastodon itself, at least 95% of all posts originate from Mastodon. Maybe even more.

There are several reasons for this.

First of all, other projects don't federate with Mastodon that much.

Misskey is huge in East Asia, especially Japan. And Japanese Misskey users who hardly know English or not at all won't be interested in connecting with Western Mastodon users, so a large chunk of the second-biggest free project in the Fediverse is out of the equation.

Lemmy is the third-biggest, but Lemmy federates with Mastodon only barely so, also because Lemmy is all about discussion groups and enclosed conversations, both of which Mastodon simply doesn't support. Lemmy users can't follow Mastodon users because Lemmy users can't follow users, full stop. And Mastodon users have to wrap their minds around how to federate with Lemmy. It isn't as straight-forward as communication within Mastodon. And so they simply don't.

Other examples include Hubzilla and (streams) channels having ActivityPub off on purpose to keep ignorant and obnoxious Mastodon users out.

But this goes the other way as well. Mastodon can be outright hostile to non-Mastodon users. Why? Because they don't behave like what Mastodon users are used to from Mastodon and, by extent, partly also Twitter. And they have joined the Fediverse in expectation of something that's one big distributed but homogenous Twitter clone. Anything that deviates from that may be disturbing.

There are Mastodon users who, upon seeing a post with over 500 characters, and be it in the federated timeline, block the poster. This alone cuts into the reach of everything that isn't Mastodon. Not few wish for a switch with which they can permanently filter out all posts with over 500 characters.

Others may block everyone who uses text formatting. Either it simply goes on their nerves. Or they can't imagine that it's even possible to format text in the Fediverse because they can't do that on Mastodon, so they think it's all some Unicode trickery. And as this Unicode trickery is not accessible and inclusive because it irritates screen readers, they deem whoever uses text formatting ableist and therefore blockworthy.

Then there's the issue of content warnings. They must be provided the Mastodon way, or you risk being blocked. However, not everything out there provides a) the right text field with b) the right label on it. Non-Mastodon projects may still label the summary field a summary field instead of a CW field like Mastodon does.

Friendica, for example, has done away with that text field entirely and users BBcode tags instead. Hubzilla doesn't provide any means of adding a summary/a Mastodon CW to a reply. And both have had their own way of adding CWs since long before there was Mastodon which their own users consider vastly superior to Mastodon's way.

In general, boosts are very important on Mastodon. I'd say that most activity on Mastodon is boosts because they're so easy to do on a phone without a hardware keyboard. Your reach on Mastodon depends on boosts.

But if you don't play exactly along Mastodon's written and unwritten rules, and if you don't adhere to the "Fediquette" which is entirely defined by only Mastodon users and geared towards only Mastodon's features (or lack thereof), you're boosted far less.

If you post more than 500 characters at once, it takes a lot for your post to get boosted.

If you post an image without alt-text, the post will be boosted dramatically less because not exactly few Mastodon users refuse to boost image posts without alt-text. You may even be muted or blocked for not providing alt-text. But alt-text only is a thing on Mastodon, and hardly anyone provides it outside Mastodon.

In general, anything that deviates from the standards defined by vanilla Mastodon will cut into your visibility on Mastodon deeply.

CC: @Hiker

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Fediquette
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Should a content warning include some indication of what's inside?

If it doesn't, does it still empower people to choose what content they are exposed to?

If it does, does that upset people before they get to make a choice?

Seems there are problems either way 🤔

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@ErosBlog Bacchus It doesn't help at all that Mastodon's content warning culture is both developed, cultivated, educated and enforced with the mindset that either the Fediverse is only Mastodon and nothing else, or everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon was made after Mastodon and works exactly like Mastodon. (I hope your reaction wasn't, "Wait, it isn't, and it doesn't?!")

And then you have Mastodon users who get all riled up when a post or reply comes in from Friendica or Hubzilla or (streams) with no Mastodon-style CW at all and, to add to the "insult", more than the seemingly agreed-upon limit of four hashtags at the end. As if it wasn't bad enough that it's unabashedly over 500 characters long.

Good thing I don't post about real life at all, so I don't post about US politics either, at least not in public. But I've got my share of things I need to warn people about which go on their nerves. I do add Mastodon-style CWs to posts which aren't replies (can't do that on replies), but I also add loads of corresponding hashtags to trigger people's filters and NSFW apps.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CW #CWs #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #CWMeta #ContentWarningMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse
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@hömma @Alt Text Hall of Fame @#DieMaskeBleibtAuf Actually, CWs in a dedicated CW field (which was exclusively for summaries from the Laconi.ca launch in 2008 to Mastodon's repurposing of the field for CWs in 2017) is not Fedi culture. It's Mastodon culture.

Friendica and Hubzilla have both had a different way of handling CWs since before Mastodon was even launched. They can optionally automatically generate individual reader-side CWs based on a customisable keyword list. The same goes for (streams), the only server application in the family that's technically younger than Mastodon. Mastodon itself has introduced a similar feature in 2023, but next to nobody knows, and it has never become part of Mastodon's culture.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CW #CWs #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #CWMeta #ContentWarningMeta #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseCulture
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