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#imagedescription
Is alt text useful? Should you describe colors in images? Find answers to these questions, and more, with these polls and insights.
https://stefanbohacek.com/blog/polls-about-alt-text-on-social-media/
@commissionerHR
Thanks for adding the #ImageDescription, I gladly boost your post. :)
and it doesn't look like you can attach documents to posts
You can't on Mastodon. I could, both here on Hubzilla and on (streams) where I post my images.
But I wouldn't have to. Vanilla Mastodon has a character limit of 500. Hubzilla has a character "limit" that's so staggeringly high that nobody knows how high it is because it doesn't matter. (streams), from the same creator and the same software family as Hubzilla, has a character "limit" of over 24,000,000 which is not an arbitrary design decision but simply the size of the database field.
By the way: Both are in the Fediverse, and both are federated with Mastodon, so Mastodon's "all media must have accurate and sufficiently detailed descriptions" rule applies there as well unless you don't care if thousands upon thousands of Mastodon users block you for not supplying image and media descriptions.
In theory, I could publish a video of ten minutes, and in the same post, I could add a full, timestamped description that takes several hours to read. Verbatim transcript of all spoken words. Detailed description of the visuals where "detailed" means "as detailed as Mastodon loves its alt-texts" as in "800 characters of alt-text or more for a close-up of a single flower in front of a blurry background" detailed. Detailed description of all camera movements and cuts. Description of non-spoken-word noises. All timestamped, probably with over a hundred timestamps for the whole description of ten minutes of video.
Now I'm wondering if that could be helpful or actually required, or if it's overkill and actually a hindrance.
CC: @masukomi @GunChleoc
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #MediaDescription #MediaDescriptions
@knutson_brain #Alt4You #ImageDescription
Stills from Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. The journey to Mount Doom is very hard and Frodo is very tired. He asks "What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."
That is the wisdom om Samwise Gamgee.
Alt-text must never include exclusive information that is neither in the post text nor in the image itself. Such information must always go into the post itself. If you don't have room in the post, add it to a reply or multiple.
That's because not everybody can access alt-text. Certain physical disabilities can make accessing alt-text impossible, for example, if someone can't use their hands. Money quote from way down this comment thread:
Deborah schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:30:45 +0200 @jupiter_rowland
I have a disability that prevents me from seeing alt text, because on almost all platforms, seeing the alt requires having a screenreader or working hands. If you post a picture, is there info that you want somebody who CAN see the picture but DOESN’T have working hands to know? Write that in visible text. If you put that in the alt, you are explicitly excluding people like me.
But you don’t have to overthink it. The description of the image itself is a simple concept.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost
Mostly, just imagine you’re telling your friend over the phone about image you’re looking at and what they would need to know.
Let's just say I'm a bit critical about that because, in my opinion, it doesn't work in the Fediverse.
Jupiter Rowland schrieb den folgenden Beitrag Fri, 04 Oct 2024 23:30:02 +0200
You can't describe images in Fediverse posts like over the phone
Allegedly, a "good" advice for image descriptions is always to describe images like you'd describe them to someone on a landline phone.Sorry, but that's non-sense. At least for anything that goes significantly beyond a real-life cat photo.
If you describe an image through a phone, you describe it to one person. Usually a person whom you know, so you've at least got a rough idea on what they need described. Even more importantly, you can ask that person what they want to know about the image if you don't know. And you get a reply.
If you describe an image for a public Fediverse post, you describe it to millions of Fediverse users and billions of Web users. You can't know what they all want, nor can you generalise what they all want. And you can't even ask one of them what they need described before or while describing, much less all of them. In fact, you can't ask at all. And yet, you have to cater to everyone's needs the same and throw no-one under a bus.
If I see a realistic chance that someone might be interested in some detail in one of my images, I will describe it. It won't be in the shorter description in the alt-text; instead, it will be in the long description which I've always put directly into the post so far, but whose placement I'm currently reconsidering. If something is unfamiliar enough to enough people that it requires an explanation, I will explain it in the long description.
Right now, only meme posts are an exception. They don't need as much of a visual description as long as I stick to the template, and a poll has revealed that people do prefer externally linked third-party explanations over my own ones blowing the character count of the post out of proportion. This is the one time that I can safely assume that I actually know what most people want.
@accessibility group @a11y group
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Inclusion #A11y #Accessibility
CC: @Monstreline @Claire (sometimes Carla) @qurly(not curly)joe
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #QuotePost #QuoteTweet #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost
@hortusfox #alternativeText #imageDescription #blind #accessibility #inclusion
Currently I can't see any alt text on this image.
There are people here who participate in Mastodon with a screen reader. In order to be able to imagine what has been posted, they need an image description as detailed as possible. You enter that when you upload the image. #AltTextMovement
https://supercooldesign.co.uk/blog/how-to-write-good-alt-text
@oblique_strategies
#ImageDescription
a white card with round edges, carelessly laying on top of a keyboard.
in black, in a minimal, sans serif font it reads, "Where's the edge? Where does the frame start?"
I have a question regarding #accessibility and #AltText / #ImageDescription / #MediaDescription.
I need to come up with an image description for the attached image for my job. I'm at a complete loss. This is alt text nightmare mode.
Are there established methods for describing complex figures such as this one?
I would be very happy about some input from people who actually need image descriptions.
@streetartutopia #ALT4U #ALT for #blind people #screenreader #ImageDescription
The picture shows an abstract portrait of a person wearing a dark suit and a red tie. The face is distorted and blurred, with red and white colour tones that look like tears or blood running down. The mouth is wide open in rage. The background is blurred and has brown and grey tones. The overall style of the picture is gloomy and horror-inducing.
@streetartutopia #ALT4U #ALT #ImageDescription in this photo for blind people
(provided by @altbot @fuzzies.wtf with text correction)
@ProofreaderNick #Alt4You #ImageDescription
The sticker is on a back seat window of a car. It features a cartoon-style white goose driving a toy car with the license plate "BR3AD". The goose pokes their head out the open toy car windscreen and says "Honk! Honk!"
The OP is a play on the popular game app "Untitled Goose Game".
- #plzfix by adding an #ImageDescription.
#Protip: MIME-Types are not an image description!
@nikolar #Alt4You #ImageDescription
A majestic photo of a magpie atop her nest at the top of a telephone pole. The nest is made from intricately woven twigs and branches, then decorated by a lot of shiny glittering items, chains, pendants, necklaces, key chains, bracelets, something that looks like a pocket watch… It's the epitome of magpie opulence.
@pinskal #AltText / #ImageDescription would make this post at least #20PercentCooler...
People with a strong tremor who cannot move a mouse cursor onto an image and keep it there steadily. They exist. It was one of them who told me that explanations don't belong into alt-text.
Quadriplegic people or amputees. They operate their computers by poking the keyboard with a headpointer strapped to their forehead or with a kind of pen that they hold in their mouth. They have no way of using pointing devices whatsoever. They cannot move a mouse cursor onto an image because they don't have a mouse cursor. They use their computers entirely over the keyboard.
All these people do not necessarily have a way of making alt-text a) appear and b) stay where it is for long enough for them to read it.
If you regularly have a lot to explain in your images, don't put these explanations into the alt-text, just because you've only got 500 characters in your toots. Instead, move someplace in the Fediverse that offers more characters (e.g. Misskey: 3,000; Akkoma: 5,000; Friendica: unlimited).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta
#AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Explanations, or any other information available neither in the image nor in the post text, must never ever go into the alt-text. That's because not everyone can access alt-text. And to those who can't access alt-text, any information exclusively available in alt-text is inaccessible and therefore lost.
#AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
@arendleejessurun #Alt4You #ImageDescription
Screenshot of fedi post by @ AWildSalem:
Out: love is love
In: [Outdoor photo from a protest. Two smiling people hold up a large banner that reads: Respect my trans homies, or I'm gonna identify as a fucking problem.]
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https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-make-posts-more-accessible-to-blind-people-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse/
