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Soundcloud?

[This article is an excerpt from a chapter of The Human Guide to Doing Music Online by @kit]

Don’t bother.

It’s unfortunately true that SoundCloud is still – at least at the time of writing this – the only platform out there making DIY music into a full-on shared social experience, what with the timestamped comments, reposting, and repostable playlists and such. But it’s also unfortunately true that SoundCloud is a terrible value no matter how you look at it.

As a free service, you’re limited to three hours of audio uploaded. That may sound like a lot for some people, but even if you don’t finish a lot of music, three hours will still run out pretty fast, and then you have to start deleting old stuff to post new stuff. Want unlimited uploads? That’ll be $100 per year, and you don’t get anything else for that money that’s worth caring about.

The social side of things isn’t worth much either, these days. For the most part, the only ones still using SoundCloud socially are musicians desperate to collaborate with anyone and everyone, shameless self-promoters trying to leech attention from everyone else through their comments sections, and bots. Mostly bots. If your friends are on SoundCloud, you can expect them to be the only people leaving genuine comments on your uploads at least 95% of the time, if they leave comments at all. Comments aside, if you’re just starting out there now, you can also expect to never be discovered. Even if you’re ruthlessly promoting yourself across platforms, 100 plays per song would be an incredibly high achievement, assuming you don’t already have a large audience that will follow you over.

You will get much more of a valuable social experience almost anywhere else, even on YouTube. Record your screen with your DAW open and upload that, no editing necessary. There’s a surprisingly large community of people doing that there, and outside of hip-hop and beatmaking where everyone is ruthlessly self-promoting all the time, it’s a very genuine and friendly community. Post the link to your videos on any other social media as well, and you will end up with a far wider potential audience and a higher likelihood of anybody even finding you in the first place than you would get from SoundCloud, because even if your social media following is small or nonexistent, the YouTube algorithm is still pretty good for discovery in this niche.

SoundCloud hasn’t been worth using in any capacity, or even looking at, since the beginning of 2020. It’s been in decline since 2016. Let it fade away.

The closest thing to an alternative at the moment – aside from Audius, which would be a great choice, if only it wasn’t built on a blockchain and centered firmly around cryptocurrency – is hearthis.at. I don’t really know anything about it though, or what it’s like to use, how many people use it, or anything like that. I only know enough to feel confident that it’s better than SoundCloud, but you should do your own research on it.

There’s also Funkwhale, a promising, if a bit clunky open source audio sharing platform, but it lacks much of the social aspect. If you’re curious about it, you can host it yourself or explore the existing public instancesBandwagon is another very promising music sharing platform that’s much less clunky, but also less complete.

Aside from that, there is also PeerTube, which does have social features, and despite being primarily a video-sharing platform like YouTube, it actually allows you to upload audio files on their own as well. Branching further out, most federated microblogging software, like Misskey and its forks, Mastodon, Akkoma, and so on, also allow uploading audio files directly as attachments to your normal social media posts, which can then be streamed from there.

Even though none of this is the same as SoundCloud, these are all great options if you just want to freely post stuff as you feel like it.

[Read The Human Guide to Doing Music Online in full]

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Ooh it looks like something is afoot over at isitfairtrademusicfri.day, courtesy of @keefmarshall's brand new submission bot.

Here's how it works:

If you've got a release on a #FairTradeMusic platform¹ you'd like to plug, follow @ftmf and reply (with a link & description) to its post that will appear on Friday at 00:00 CEST- it will then appear at isitfairtrademusicfri.day automagically!

¹ eg #Bandcamp, #Bandwagon, #Faircamp, #JamCoop, #Mirlo or #SelfHosted etc.

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@guttoze Thanks Gutto, Yes, I know bandcamp, indeed one of the better places. It does only have musicians who are alive, sadly.

It would be cool when something like a #bandwagon server would become hugely populare where the server rules dictate that all music must be under #cc

This is the kind of innovation that #ActivityPub and the #Fediverse allows. I just learnt about #Bandwagon (through a post by @atomicpoet) which is a #music artist site (not unlike #Bandcamp). Artists and their posts can be followed just like anyone on the Fediverse.

It's a little rudimentary at the moment (both in style and functionality), and I don't think there is a way to purchase albums for download, but it is a nice example of what is possible.

(Cc @howdy)

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bandwagon.fmBandwagon.fmBetter Social for Musicians
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@Ben Pate 🤘🏻 Not everyone will want to offer their music on Bandwagon for money. Some may want to give it away for free for various reasons (non-commercial license, German hobbyist artists not wanting to hassle with the German tax system and GEMA etc.), and Funkwhale may not be a viable option for them. At the same time, they may not want to or even be able to pay the same prices for anything beyond basic functionality as musicians or bands who intend to actually make money with their music.

Some features should remain free for music that's offered for free. For example, it shouldn't be lossless downloads that a musician or a band has to pay for as a feature, but charging money for lossless downloads. Having everyone pay for e.g. offering FLAC downloads favours commercial artists, and the anti-capitalist parts of the Fediverse will criticise you for that.

Alternatively, you could make the license choosable from a pull-down list per song or per album or for an entire account. And when a commercial license (or any license that isn't decidedly non-commercial) is selected, certain features are greyed-out or removed unless they're paid for. At the same time, when a non-commercial license is selected, the UI elements for charging money are greyed out or removed.

Also, if you ever plan to open-source and decentralise Bandwagon, you can't expect all instances to charge the same for the same. Even if you hard-code in what must be paid for, the moment Bandwagon is open-source, there will be at least one fork where certain or all payments are not hard-coded anymore. Not only will some musicians or bands prefer that fork for their own instances, but it's even likely that public instances of such a fork will be launched.

At that point, your pricing calculation will become moot.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Bandwagon
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More #Bandwagon news to share:

I'm really proud of the progress we've made this month.

Today, on Bandwagon.fm, you can now FOLLOW SEARCH RESULTS in your inbox.

What? Yes, really. Here's how it works:

1. Search for albums or tracks using tags and keywords
2. Click "Follow” then enter your fediverse handle
3. Bump over to your home server to authorize the follow
4. Receive new album releases in your Fediverse timeline.

More info on this here:

bandwagon.fm/2025-03-22-search

Today you can join the birth of a new community project:

The Social Music Network
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Musicians, developers, and all music lovers collaborating for the common good!

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If you find it empty / ugly / messy, it's fine. Come back in a month. But if you want to be an early adopter, a tester, a contributor, a curious musician... then join now and you won't regret.

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