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@AskSteve @sturmsucht @urbanprivacy @xmpp

Nichts gegen neue Chat-Apps. Aber ich bin seit ca. 2014 bei #Jabber (bevor es Signal oder Matrix gab bzw. mir bekannt gewesen wären) und es funktioniert gut. Mit gateways habe ich auch Zugang zu IRC und Matrix. Für einen Wechsel fehlt der Leidensdruck 🙂

Delta ist OK, aber es gibt noch keine native Linux-App, was mir sehr wichtig ist. Und (noch) keine Gateways zu IRC, Matrix, #XMPP, daher derzeit für mich nicht interessant.

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@sturmsucht @urbanprivacy @xmpp

Es ging im Original-Post um #UnplugTrump und "weg von #BigTech". Signal hat sicherlich Vorzüge gegenüber WA, u.a. kann man dem Ladens wohl mehr vertrauen als Mark Z. Aber im Hinblick auf #digitaleSouveränität hat man nichts gewonnen. Das hat mit Moral nichts zu tun, sondern ist einfach so.

Es gibt außer #Jabber natürlich noch viele andere freie, föderierte Optionen. Ich habe diese genannt, weil ich sie kenne und nutze.

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@urbanprivacy

#UnplugTrump, daher Signal in der Amazon Cloud von Jeff B., einem DJT-#Broligarchen? Vom Regen in die Traufe!

Threema ist dbzgl. besser, zumal es Users nicht zwingt, ihre Telefonnummer rauszurücken.

Aber #digitaleSouveränität bietet der Silo nicht, da man sich den Server nicht aussuchen kann, z.B. in der #EU oder #selfHosting.

Zum Glück gibt es seit 1999 einen Internet-Chat-#Standard, der freie Föderation erlaubt wie Email oder das #Fediverse.

@xmpp

In 3 days, the jabber.fr wiki, a niche specialized wiki with a lot of outdated info and only one or two occasional contributors at the moment, has served more than 200 000 pages to shitty LLM bots.

Our PHP and mariadb processes are constantly hammered by them, and most of them are masquerading as normal traffic with browser user agents.

Is there a better solution than blocking off entire countries and cloud provider subnets at the moment?

#xmpp#ai#llm
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@kionite231

The only one, that is maintained and developed is probably #Emacs-#Jabber:

codeberg.org/emacs-jabber/emac

It's fun, but I don't use it, because it's missing most modern #XMPP features, such as MAM, #OMEMO, message replies, message reactions…

If I knew a little bit more of #Elisp — and had more time at hand…

Codeberg.orgemacs-jabberJabber/XMPP client for Emacs (fork of https://github.com/legoscia/emacs-jabber.git)
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@ulfi

Hi, #Debian #XMPP team member here, and very likely the person who uploaded #Dino and #Gajim indirectly to your Mint distro 🙂

I'm using both Dino and Gajim on a daily base and they are pretty stable for me. Dino always crashes after disabling an account (but how often do you do that 🙂) and Gajim almost never crashes for me.

Note, that both #Jabber clients have debug options. Maybe you can find out, what's wrong?

@dino @gajim

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@jgoerzen

I agree and I would not even say, that my preferred solutions (mainly #Jabber or other federated systems) would be more secure for the threat models Signal tries to counter.

But, of course I can't recommend Signal to my family or to my friends, because they would not be able to reach me then and would wonder why I don't eat my own cat food 🙂

However, esp. with #Quicksy (which has an Indian variant now, called #Prav), I'ld say it's equally easy to get even non-tech people on board.

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⬆️ @debacle

>> 1. I don't want to use Google Android or Apple iOS. There is no first class client for Linux/#Debian/#Mobian.

Build one.

>> 2. I don't want to fuel the Amazon cloud of Jeff B., but prefer services in my home "country", the #EU.

Use #OpenStack or ask an EU provider to use it.

>> 3. I don't want to use a phone number for creating an account. E.g. it makes multi-account setups hard.

🔥 👍

>> …grey beard, but I'll stay with #Jabber 🙂

How about #Mastodon? 😉

@jgoerzen

Just reading through the #xmpp / #jabber core specification bc I initially wanted to write an own jabber <-> matrix bridge (the ones that exist either dont work anymore, aren't maintained or didn't work with my usecase), and I seriously consider just scraping that idea.

It's even more awefull of an protocol than HTTP; no length-prefix of messages, malformed xml, and genneraly try-and-error mentality for most of the protocol.

www.rfc-editor.orgRFC 6120: Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Core