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Giacomo Tesio<a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a> You see, when <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSI</a> people talk about "license proliferation" they means "<a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> proliferation" that is, in fact, the proliferation of licenses that protect the work from appropriation. In fact, OSI approved over 100 mostly equivalent permissive licenses, among which some masterpiece like the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=fairlicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FairLicense</a> <a href="https://opensource.org/license/fair" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/license/fair</a> just because they were backed by the right corporation. They cry about license proliferation only when a <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> license conflict with the interests of their largest sponsors. Indeed the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=mongodb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MongoDB</a> <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=sspl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SSPL</a> was not approved while <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=amazon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Amazon</a> was one of the biggest OSI donor, while <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CAL</a> (that was even more "dangerous" as a copyleft according to the same arguments that got SSPL refused) was approved, because no <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=bigtech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#BigTech</a> ever gave a shit about blockchain stuff (for obvious reasons). The OSI behaviour over the years shows that they cry about license proliferation only to justify their refusals. So if they don't care, you shouldn't either. Sure, conflicts among licenses exists (for example, you cannot mix code under the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> and code under <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gpl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GPL</a>), but right now we need first and foremost to widen the overton windows that OSI gatekeepers try desperately to keep closed. We have urgent need of new licenses that can protect the commons that we create without restricting their spread and evolution. Code is Speech. <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a> <a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a>

Giacomo Tesio<a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a> The only people who should really fear "license proliferation" are the gatekeepers such as <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSI</a>. We strongly need more effective licenses, that protect works from corporate greed while enabling people to study, share, modify and use the covered works. The <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> is a first attempt that has been successfully used in production by hacktivists in a couple of projects - <a href="https://github.com/MonitoraPA/monitorapa/blob/main/LICENSE.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/MonitoraPA/monitorapa/blob/main/LICENSE.txt</a> - <a href="https://github.com/MonitoraPA/Minos/blob/main/licenses/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/MonitoraPA/Minos/blob/main/licenses/HACK.txt</a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a> <a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a>

Giacomo Tesio<a href="https://mastodon.online/users/larsmb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@larsmb@mastodon.online</a> The version discussed in Debian legal was completely rewritten from scratch. They wouldn't accept any of the software that adopt it anyway (as some dev pointed out, it's a political decision more than a legal one), but all their feedbacks were considered in the new version. Give it a read. I think you might like it. It gives users copyrights and patents, not just permissions, as long as they accept it as both a contract and a license. Also it's totally different from copyleft-next, that is basically a corporate tool and don't even try to protect the covered works from corporate building <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=llm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LLM</a>. The <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> is a political tool for communities that want to grow and protect their commons. Through the concept of "dependent work", it applies to any model trained over the covered work, just like to any infrastructure built on top of to run it. Its major "issue" from the perspective of its critics (all neolib lawyers), is that it's too "dangerous" for corporations, as it's far more "viral" than any <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=gnu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GNU</a> license. <a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tante" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@tante@tldr.nettime.org</a> <a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/users/lproven" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@lproven@vivaldi.net</a>

Giacomo Tesio<a href="https://fe.disroot.org/users/ramin_hal9001" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org</a> I think <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=rms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#RMS</a> was (is?) unable to really abstract away from his roots as an American grow up during <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=coldwar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ColdWar</a>. If he was, he would have been more explicit in looking for a syntesis between <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freedom</a> and <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#communion</a> as foundational model for <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a>. I think I got a better ethical model with the <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackinglicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a>: <a href="https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</a> There the two values that dominated 20th century history (and rhetorics) are pillars built on top of a third one, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hacker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hacker</a>'s <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=curiosity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#curiosity</a> that provides a dynamic balance among the two (and a third one, candor, intended as intellectual honesty, that is honestly sharing your perspective and knowledge). So while a think that a second fork from free software is actually needed (the first being <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#opensource</a>, that as <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=osaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OSAID</a> made cristal clear, was solely a corporate tactic to exploit <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=hackers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#hackers</a>' labour while marginalizing them), I don't think it can be solely based on either freedom (like liberalism) or communion (like communism and socialism) but it need a new set of values to build upon. Unfortunately, largely due to influence of the US rhetorics since the Marshal Plan, most hackers lack political awareness. Which is a common issue among most oppressed people these days, but it's something even more dangerous when their skills are used to build weapons (including surveillance and manipulation tools) that furter help oppressors to oppress them and everybody else. Yet I'm afraid the international socialist movement is completely missing all of these cultural, political and cybernetic dynamics and it's unlikely to evolve beyond 1900, neither in culture nor in methods or tech. In Italy, for example, all largest unions, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cgil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CGIL</a>, <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=cisl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CISL</a> and <a href="https://snac.tesio.it?t=uil" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UIL</a>, are completely under US BigTech surveillance. <a href="https://friend.camp/users/garbados" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@garbados@friend.camp</a>

Shamar<a href="https://mastodon.social/@irenes" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@irenes</a>I think <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@rms" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@rms</a> did a huge error basing what was a hacker¹ movement on the value of freedom alone. <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Freedom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Freedom</a> (like <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Communion</a>) is a totalizant value, a value that can blind people from other important values, so much that it's the foundational value of <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Capitalism</a> (much like what <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Communion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Communion</a> was for <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Comunism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Comunism</a>).As we can all see that <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/FreeSoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a> lost its political goals, being used much more to reduce human freedom than to increase it (<a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Google</a> and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Facebook</a> would not exists without exploiting huge amount of developers' work donated as Free Software, much like <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/GitHub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GitHub</a> <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Copilot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Copilot</a> / <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/CopyALot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CopyALot</a>), we should really move to something different.Years ago I wrote the <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/HackingLicense" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HackingLicense</a> ² to this aim, a (network) <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/copyleft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#copyleft</a> license (and a shrink-wrap contract) that has been used successfully in a couple of projects.It doesn't forbid commercial use of the covered works and even share the copyright with the users that comply with the license itself, BUT contractually impose a complete reciprocity, as any work that benefit in any way from the covered work must be distributed in the same way.IOW, if you use my work under the Hacking License, I can use and distribute your work under the same terms. Even if it's a LLM, or a software including its output.I'm not sure the Hacking License is the best tool to get back freedom, communion and <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/Curiosity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Curiosity</a>, but at least it's a step in the right direction.¹ <a href="http://www.tesio.it/2020/09/03/not_all_hackers_are_americans.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tesio.it/2020/09/03/not_all_hackers_are_americans.html</a> ² <a href="http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt</a><a href="https://mastodon.me.uk/@krans" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@krans</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@glyph" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@glyph</a> <a href="https://social.coop/@eb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@eb</a>

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